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Did the Ahlu Bayt RA ever said that:
1.إن الله تعالى خلق العرش إظهارا لقدرته لا مكانا لذاته، قد ‌كان ‌ولا ‌مكان وهو الآن على ما كان
2.''من زعم أن إلهنا محدود، فقد جهل الخالق
المعبود''

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3. ''مَنْ زعمَ أنَّ الله في شيءٍ أو منْ شيءٍ أو على شيءٍ فقدْ أشركَ؛ إذ لو كانَ على شيءٍ لكانَ محمولًا، أو كانَ في شيءٍ لكانَ محصورًا، أو كانَ من شيءٍ لكانَ محدثًا

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمد لله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين أما بعد:
As we can see that Some Ash'aris especially the Ahbash claims that these statements are the statements of the Ahlu Bayt RA, well let us look at them.

Let us start with the Statements of Amirul Mu'mineen Ali RA.
The 1st one is إن الله تَعَالَى خلق الْعَرْش اظهارا لقدرته لَا مَكَانا لذاته) وَقَالَ ايضا: (قد
‌كَانَ ‌وَلَا ‌مَكَان وَهُوَ الْآن على مَا كَانَ)
Source: الفرق بين الفرق ص ٢٩٢

This Statement is a fabrication, it is falsely attributed to Amirul Mu'mineen Ali RA and not even 1 scholar (b4 Abu Mansur Al Baghdadi was born ever mentioned this).

Plus, Late Shia scholars like Ja'far Subhani and Ala Al Hassoun Quoted this Statement that is falsely attributed to Amirul Mu'mineen Ali RA from Abu Mansur Al Baghdadi's book.
Here are the shia Sources:

As for the shia books, here are the references:
كتاب التوحيد عند مذهب أهل البيت لعلاء الحسون ج ١ ص ٣٦٤
كتاب الإلهيات لجعفر السبحاني ج ٢ ص ١١٨

The question is, Is there a scholar b4 Abu Mansur Al Baghdadi that has an Isnaad that Reaches to Ali RA saying this?
No, and if you are trying to bring Tafsir An Nasafi, it won't work because this book is written years after Abu Mansur Al Baghdadi's death.

And if you are trying to bring Al Iqd Al Fariid, it won't work as well because this book is not a Hadith book nor a history book, this is a novel book that contains elements of fiction. This is the very same book that the Rawafidh uses it as an evidence to prove their point.

It doesn't work for them as well.
Let us go back to the topic.
Let us look at no 2.

No 2. They say that Ali RA said:
من زعم أن إلهنا محدود، فقد جهل الخالق المعبود
Source: حلية الأولياء وطبقات الأصفياء ج ١
ص ٧٢-٧٣
Now, at least, this narration has an isnad,
So let us see if this narration is authentic.

In this Athar, Abu Nu'aym said:
This Hadith is Gharib From the Hadith of An-Nu'man. Ibn Ishaq narrated from him as Mursal.

This chain (isnaad) is not authentic (sahih) due to 2 defects:
The first defect is that An-Nu'man ibn Sa'ad is mentioned by al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar in Taqrib al-Tahdhib as follows:

''[He is] al-Nu'man Ibn Sa'ad al Ansari al Kufi, he narrated from 'Ali... his nephew 'Abdurahman Ibn Ishaq al Kufi narrated from him and no one else, according to what was said by Abu Hatim [al-Razi]. Ibn Hibban mentioned him in [his book] "al-Thiqat".

I say - the speaker is al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar- : And the narrator who made riwaya from him is weak as has been mentioned. So his narration (riwaya) is not to be relied upon.
And, Abdurahman ibn Ishaaq, who narrated from his uncle An-Nu'man ibn Sa'ad is agreed upon to be weak...

as mentioned in Tahdhib al-Kamal by Al Hafidh Al Mizzi and Taqrib al-Tahdhib by Al Hafidh Ibn Hajar Asqalani and many more scholars.
The second reason is that there is a broken chain between Muhammad ibn Ishaaq and An-Nu'man ibn Sa'ad.

Indeed, only Abdurahman ibn Ishaaq narrated from al-Nu'man bin Sa'ad. So there is an intermediary between Muhammad ibn Ishaaq and al-Nu'man ibn Sa'ad.
This is why Abu Nuaym said: Ibn Ishaaq narrated from him as mursal.
That's why this athar is weak and not reliable.

The 2nd one is the ''Statement'' of Imam Ja'far As Saddiq RA.
We find some Ash'aris mentioning that Abu Bakr Al Baqillani and Al Qushayri Stating that Imam Ja'far RA said:
من زعم أن الله في شئ أو من شئ أو على شئ فقد أشرك، لو كان الله عز وجل على شئ لكان محمولا، ولو كان في شئ...

لكان محصورا، ولو كان من شئ لكان محدثا
Well this Statement is not authentic. It has no isnaad. Even an Ash'ari (Aqua) approves that it has no isnaad, but we find some people denying and wants to prove their point by using a narration that has no isnaad.

But wait it is mentioned by Shaykh Sadooq in ''kitab At Tawhid''.
The funny thing is that Shaykh Sadooq Himself mentions another shia narration in his other book that mentions that Jafar As Saddiq or His father affirming that Allah is above the throne.